Phillip speaks about the ups and downs in long ministries

Mark Dever interviews Phillip Jensen - short version from Audio Advice on Vimeo.



  • First five years are very positive.
  • 5-10 years is very negative.
  • 10+ years is positive in a more realistic way - although if the church is declining, they are still postive (for good or for bad!).
  • Taking a study leave/sabbatical in the 5-10 year period can be very helpful to help you stick at it.
  • The long-term growing ministries are often the result of ministers who continue to grow and develop their own thinking, ministry and life.